to clarify, this is an accompanying post along with ravester-hamster's post on flowers vs. toasters. otherwise, this post will appear to be some random unintelligible garble one individual came up with.
the other individual decided that toasters would be a more appropriate gift for a girl rather than flowers. his explanation; toasters is more functional as a gift rather than flowers. personally, i think the art of flower giving stems from the old ages, back where flowers are harder to come by than now. picture america during the 1700s. acquiring flowers during spring or summer would be easy, but not so during the winter, where hothouses haven't existed yet. it would be almost impossible to obtain flowers, not to mention fresh ones, unless they import some long-living growing plants from a more tropical climate, say mexico. not to mention they have no freely available florists that carry random exotic plants as they do now. us females don't consider toasters (or any other electronic devices, really) as suitable dating gifts because, lets face it, for one thing girls like purdy things. second, giving toaster is more like a housewarming gift, or one that someone close already give. you wouldn't give toasters to random people that you just met once on your first day, as from a rational point of view (kudos to ravester) and the game theory, we shouldn't exert a lot of effort into relationships that would not last into the long term, as such flowers. granted, if we follow the same game-theory principle, should we expect a long term relationship with them, THEN we can invest a lot of resources into the relationship as hopefully (maybe... juuuust maybe) it will last through a long time. you shouldn't screw up a long term relationship ey? and this individual don't know about other girls, but this individual would much prefer flowers as a first date gift rather than a toaster. although this individual agrees with the other individual on the bring-flowers-to-dates convention, as most girls would appreciate flowers than toasters because it's more romantic. as far as jewelry go, it's prettier and more expensive, meaning girls would fawn over it more. AND it's wearable~
TL;DR version; girls like flower more because it shows that you care enough to be bothered to buy something that is (supposedly) hard to get and doesn't last long. the fact that flowers are pretty helps tremendously. we girls also like romantic stuffs, so ravester, please don't buy get toasters for your first date
Uh huh? the other individual claims that flowers are valuable in the 1700's because it is scarce, hence valuable. Well I would say dating back in the 1700s, a toasters would be a much more valuable gift. The reason is at that time it is impossible to find one. Toasters were first invented at the period of 1893 in Great Britain UK, and since then have provided major income for many companies since then, the prototype model were sold at an expensive price. So if we step back during the 1700's and a person was given a choice of a flower albeit scarce or as they would probably view it " a heavenly device that toast bread" aka Toaster (that wasnt invented yet). They should choose toaster, as they could make a fortune by selling the given toaster. And by game theory the toaster has a higher pay off, hence possesing a "strictly dominant postion" over the flower, and any rational individual at the time will pick the toaster.
ReplyDeleteBut on the second hand, the other individual is correct in saying that investing something as valuable as a toaster on a first date, maybe unwanted as if the process doesnt work out, a loss of high valued asset will occur (the toaster), and by game theory as the other individual stated should invest something of a lower tier item aka the flower. For a long term relationship that maybe fine?
Second as the other individual claims, flowers have a value of being "pretty" and "romantic". An attribute that perhaps a girl find more appreciable compared to "functionality", hence it adds in a value that overshoots the financial one of the toaster. In this case I agree with the other individual altough I would see it as rational to give toasters, the toaster is not appropriate as in accordance with the situational consumption theory, consumers will only appreciate what they require at the particualar scenario. In this case the "romantic" value and hence would not look at the toasting ability. As far as rationality go, the individual agrees with the other in giving flowers. Rather than unappreciated toaster (as its functions are overlooked and hence has no value in the consumer group that is females on the first date)
LOL so I guess I agree with giving flowers over toasters, for a first date ( as it is not what they value and risk should not be large).
But I wonder if girls will like wearable toasters?
AND FINE THIS INDIVIDUAL WONT GIVE A TOASTER ON A FIRST DATE...meh its their loss anyhows. Ladies (who im maybe gonna date..if I ever actually date). You just lost yourselves a chance to win a toaster.
Toaster case solved : )
other individual,
ReplyDeletei think the toaster would be practically useless in the 1700s, since the electricity required to power it hasn't even been harnessed. the concept of running electricity itself was found by benjamin franklin in 1752. thus, the value of this item would therefore be 0, since there is no further use to it rather than as a place to store sliced bread until we eat it. however, i do agree that strictly according to the game theory, the toaster has a higher payoff than flowers.
for a long term relationship, mostly any item of interest can be given to the other person, given that it is not disturbing stuff (think decayed fruits, who would want rotting fruit) or something that is broken (i think the other individual will agree with me when i say nobody would like it if you give them a broken watch, unless it's extremely expensive, say a rolex). you can give them a small keychain and the other person will be happy
this individual also thinks that females are bred to think that romantic items=good and unromantic is a bad aspect. after all, females like males that are able to provide for them. giving the other flowers could be a symbol saying that "yes, i can provide for you in the future. i gave you a gift, a pretty one in fact" or some random bull like that. plus, what will happen if you give a toaster to someone that already HAS a toaster? it effectively reduces the use of the toaster given.
YES PLEASE DON'T GIVE TOASTERS ON FIRST DATES
and as a tribute to the other individual...
kthxbai
(now the other individual has made this individual say that, thanks a lot @.@)
flowers, for example, roses, only last like a couple weeks
ReplyDeleteand that's if you leave them in water
and they really only exist to be pretty
so that's like saying
"my love for you is transitory and based solely on your appearance"
but a potato!
potatos last for ever, man
in fact, not only will they not rot, they actually grow even if you just leave them in the sack
that part alone makes it a good symbol
but there's more!
there are so many ways to enjoy a potato! you can even make a battery with it!
and that's like saying "i have many ways in which I show my love for you"
and potatos may be ugly, but they're still awesome
so that's like saying "it doesn't matter at all what you look like, I'll still love you"